tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post112318500461909371..comments2023-08-13T12:20:53.393+01:00Comments on Anything that defies my sense of reason....: 7/7: London Bus Explosion KickerThe Antagonisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01459201402366077472noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-1152831872497042302006-07-14T00:04:00.000+01:002006-07-14T00:04:00.000+01:00"You could have had a power surge with a quite cat..."<B>You could have had a power surge with a quite catastrophic casualty level. We have always been aware of that on the Underground."<BR/><BR/>Ken Livingstone<BR/>7th July Review Comittee, March 1st, 2006</B><BR/><BR/>To what might Ken have been referring?The Antagonisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01459201402366077472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-1152831151559126932006-07-13T23:52:00.000+01:002006-07-13T23:52:00.000+01:00A power surge would not cause a motor to catastrop...A power surge would not cause a motor to catastrophically explode, the windings on the motor would just burn out, you'd probably hear a crack as the windings arced over, but in no way would they cause that sort of damage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-1143477172705285062006-03-27T17:32:00.000+01:002006-03-27T17:32:00.000+01:00The Independent's front page of 15th February was ...The Independent's front page of 15th February was emblazoned with the words <B>The Great Deception</B> followed by <B>The politics of fear (or how Tony Blair misled us over the war on terror)</B> across pages 2 and 3, which featured an edited extract taken from The Use and Abuse of Terror - The Construction of a False Narrative on the Domestic Terror Threat [<A HREF="http://www.cps.org.uk/pdf/pub/430.pdf" REL="nofollow">PDF</A>].<BR/><BR/>The first three pages of the Independent were dedicated to the lying liars and their incessant lies in recent history, including fake terror ricin, fake terror in Manchester and the ongoing politicisation of terror on the basis of lies.<BR/><BR/>Three whole pages about the politics of fear, fake terror and lies, with only fleeting reference to the devastating events in London on July 7th and yet the largest photo in the article - the one taking up half of page three in an article about fake terror - is a full-colour photograph of the back of the number 30 bus that exploded in Tavistock Square on July 7th 2005.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://antagonise.blogspot.com/2006/02/independent-subtle-art-of.html" REL="nofollow">Subtle indeed</A>.<BR/><BR/>Then Peter Oborne's Channel 4 Dispatches programme, which the article was leading up to, consisted of little more than Peter Oborne's hour-long narrative about the spinning of Fake Terror, all set to inordinate amounts of footage of London buses for a documentary that, overtly at least, wasn't about London buses.<BR/><BR/>Explanations for this, or why a full colour photo of the Number 30 bus from July 7th was juxtaposed into an article solely about Fake Terror, are welcome.The Antagonisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01459201402366077472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-1137348514341503292006-01-15T18:08:00.000+00:002006-01-15T18:08:00.000+00:00And the ABC images were leaked, they were never in...And the ABC images were leaked, they were never intended for the public.<BR/>Tony-superiorAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-1137348405217160712006-01-15T18:06:00.000+00:002006-01-15T18:06:00.000+00:00Im no expert on the subject, but an explosion (of ...Im no expert on the subject, but an explosion (of this size) does not "destroy" things (and people). It bends them, twists them, breaks them into many pieces and moves them. <BR/>Definition of an explosion: "A violent bursting as a result of internal pressure.".<BR/>I would assume anything fixed would be broken and moved from its fixings. Anything loose, for example, ID documents, people, luggage etc.. would be flung away from the blast, due to the force.<BR/>A bomb of this size does not vaporise anything within a specific radius as you seem to assume. <BR/>Look at the picture of the Aldgate blast, the evidence is there. <BR/>The floor is bent, but it still exists in some form or another. Therefore, the ID documents carried by the bombers would still exist; probably completely intact as they would be flung away from the epicentre of the blast in one direction. <BR/>A force acting in several directions is required to break an object.<BR/>Even if they were "destroyed" fragments would remain which could be reassembled.<BR/>I look forward to your response.<BR/>Regards <BR/>Tony-superior.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-1137346998761201652006-01-15T17:43:00.000+00:002006-01-15T17:43:00.000+00:00@ Tony-SuperiorA blast strong enough to cause that...@ Tony-Superior<BR/><BR/>A blast strong enough to cause that damage to the Aldgate train but not powerful enough to destroy a credit card/driving licence? "Property in the name of a second was found at the scene of the Aldgate bomb and, in relation to a third man, property was found at the Aldgate and Edgware Road bombs. Finding their property suggests they were caught up in the blasts, officials said."<BR/>Strange how all the train blast images were released through ABC News and not the BBC.Bridgethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04220942517267393608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-1137346236437336772006-01-15T17:30:00.000+00:002006-01-15T17:30:00.000+00:00One simple point:The top picture (Aldgate?) shows ...One simple point:<BR/>The top picture (Aldgate?) shows the structure of the train floor is bent DOWNWARDS. An electrical explosion would bend the floor UPWARDS. <BR/>In particular see the large steel beam towards bottom right. A sizable bit of framework, maybe 160mm by 80mm. That is not an easy thing to dent, try it. And it has taken a very large force from close range to dent it like that. <BR/>Not an electrical surge, but a bomb. Comprende?<BR/>Regards <BR/>Tony-Superior.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-1136232162415979862006-01-02T20:02:00.000+00:002006-01-02T20:02:00.000+00:00http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4346812.stmhttp://ww...http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4346812.stm<BR/><BR/><BR/>http://www.thetriforce.com/newblog/?p=244<BR/><BR/>http://www.guardian.co.uk/attackonlondon/story/0,16132,1524452,00.html<BR/><BR/>That took 2 minutes on google. Bit selective aren't you?Rachelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04807921540492728422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-1123333865186040392005-08-06T14:11:00.000+01:002005-08-06T14:11:00.000+01:00"I was on the Hammersmith line tube when it pulled..."I was on the Hammersmith line tube when it pulled into Edgware Rd. As the doors opened, there was a loud, muffled bang. I thought it was an electricity power box jumping. It seemed to come from the tunnel at the rear."<BR/><A HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/4661415.stm" REL="nofollow">Raymund Macvicar, London</A><BR/><BR/>A 'muffled bang' which sounded like 'an electricity power box jumping' and that seemed to 'come from the tunnel at the rear', not the train that had just pulled in and opened its doors to passengers.<BR/><BR/>Interesting.<BR/><BR/>Why not an explosion that sounded like nothing else and that came from inside the train, the place we are told the 'bombs' were?<BR/><BR/>Perhaps there were no bombs on the Underground, a notion supported by the accounts of people that were on the trains at the time, and the explanations given by MetroNet to passengers and the media?<BR/><BR/>If so, that just leaves the requirement for <A HREF="http://antagonise.blogspot.com/2005/08/77-london-bus-explosion-kicker.html" REL="nofollow">a plausible explanation, based on tangible evidence, regarding why a diverted Number 30 bus might have exploded in Tavistock Square</A>.The Antagonisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01459201402366077472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-1123282413489634832005-08-05T23:53:00.000+01:002005-08-05T23:53:00.000+01:00"I was in the last carriage of the Circle Line tra..."I was in the last carriage of the Circle Line train that had just left Paddington. The tube had just left when there was a sudden explosion and the square marked area in the centre of the tube exploded"<BR/><B>Sharan, Middlesex, London</B>,<BR/><A HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/4659237.stm" REL="nofollow">Survivor account, 7/7 Circle Line train.</A><BR/><BR/>'The square marked area in the centre of the tube exploded'. <BR/><BR/>Oh really? Anyone know what's under the square marked areas on Underground trains? Electro-mechanical stuff that goes bang in the event of a disastrous power surge, perhaps? <BR/><BR/>Or maybe a suicide bomber had hidden themselves under the square marked area designed into the train specifically to give suicide bombers a place from which to gain that competitive edge they so desperately crave?<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/4659237.stm" REL="nofollow">Sharan, continues</A>:<BR/><BR/>"<B>There was black smoke everywhere and a very strong smell as if the wiring in the carriage was burning</B>."<BR/><BR/>What a surprise. Just like if there was a massive power surge.<BR/><BR/>While you're digesting this information, take into account also that no survivor accounts, not even the ones from inside the blast carriages, mention any sort of blast force that would support there being any bombs on the tube at all.<BR/><BR/>A lot of the survivor accounts do, however, support very strongly the notions of power surges, electrical fires and complete light and communications infrastructure blackouts.The Antagonisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01459201402366077472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-1123278504251165642005-08-05T22:48:00.000+01:002005-08-05T22:48:00.000+01:00From a Picadilly Line survivor account (links belo...From a Picadilly Line survivor account (links below):<BR/><BR/>"I was on the Piccadilly Line-the first after there was a fire alarm at Caledonian Road. Just after Kings X there was a "bang" coming from the front carriage-the light went out and emergency lighting came on-smoke came apparently from outside-There were no announcement-some people started panicking after a while and tried to smash the doors-but only to injure themselves- after about 30min 2 policemen opened the back door and let people out. I wonder why it took so long-the smoke settled down after a while and I assume it was only dust spelled around by the sudden tube break-we were only maybe 100m away from the platform. But when you're inside you don't realise that. I guess no one was seriously injured on that train-but I haven't seen what happened to the people at the front carriage- They should have passed information that there is no fire etc. the atmosphere in a packed tube carriage is already frightening enough."<BR/><B>Harald Schoenbrodt,<BR/>London</B><BR/><BR/><B>Sources</B>:<BR/><BR/>1. <A HREF="http://newswww.bbc.net.uk/1/hi/talking_point/4661415.stm" REL="nofollow">Harald's original submission to the BBC</A><BR/><BR/>2. <A HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4662365.stm" REL="nofollow">An edited version which omits the fire alarm at Caledonian Road from Harald's report</A>. <BR/><BR/>Remember it would take a good few minutes for the Piccadilly Line train to leave Caledonian Road, stop at Kings Cross, pick up and drop off passengers, and then proceed into the tunnel where the 'bang' occurred that caused smoke to apparently enter the train 'from outside'.<BR/><BR/>If it took 30 minutes for Harald to be reached after the incident - why, after 30 minutes, was it <B>2 policemen</B> that turned up to free the trapped passengers and not the train driver, or other members of London Underground staff who, theoretically, should be at the scene quicker than any policeman?The Antagonisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01459201402366077472noreply@blogger.com