tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post858026562265818146..comments2023-08-13T12:20:53.393+01:00Comments on Anything that defies my sense of reason....: Osama bin London Exclusive - terror training and extremism gets BBC sponsorshipThe Antagonisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01459201402366077472noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-51980042168182238012008-03-20T10:46:00.000+00:002008-03-20T10:46:00.000+00:00climate change (which neatly obviates all real pol...<I>climate change (which neatly obviates all real pollution concern and ensures corporate welfare, 'trading' in but not reduction of co2 emissions (co2 being a weaker 'greenhouse gas' than water vapour is - and note also some of the co2 conspiracy theories from 'experts'), as well as the guarantee of passing all carbon tax to us - the end users)</I><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://z13.invisionfree.com/julyseventh/index.php?showtopic=909&view=findpost&p=13679302" REL="nofollow">see</A>, it's beginning already, this bullshit's got to be called out, and stopped, same as all the other bullshitjon doy™https://www.blogger.com/profile/15050867532596762977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-64461424477140925762008-03-18T17:49:00.000+00:002008-03-18T17:49:00.000+00:00Yup. Gotcha. Fair enough.Great stuff. For me the a...Yup. Gotcha. Fair enough.<BR/><BR/>Great stuff. For me the anti narrative <I>is</I> the gonzo.<BR/><BR/>It certainly was in Finsbury park. <BR/><BR/>I think i quite enjoyed the terrorist?/mad guys shouting about shit? dichotomy anyway.<BR/> <BR/>I'm not sure who is doing what either but I am certain of one thing- there IS a better narrative. One that can bring us out of all this. I've always had a feeling that "We the People" can do it if we try. Meanwhile I am glad for the freedoms I do have, anyway.DAVE BONEShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207525118627449541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-59921041504955380502008-03-18T14:34:00.000+00:002008-03-18T14:34:00.000+00:00@lwtc247 7:23:00AMLOL@lwtc247 7:23:00AM<BR/><BR/>LOLStefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01467757421113856218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-5078395602505473002008-03-18T14:21:00.000+00:002008-03-18T14:21:00.000+00:00Right. You see I understand what you think, I am l...<I>Right. You see I understand what you think, I am looking for why you think it. Maybe you've had experience of this sort of stuff? I haven't you see. It doesn't bother me if cops photograph me etc. I'm sure they think they are doing their jobs.<BR/><BR/>Do you think there is some sort of fascist society in our not too distant future? Who is behind it? the Bildeberg group? Zionism?</I><BR/><BR/>I'm not sure that people thinking they're 'doing their jobs' are grounds for any degree of comfort<BR/><BR/>And as for the old 'Who is behind it? the Bildeberg group? Zionism?' question the folks posting here are far too experienced and astute to stumble on that old chestnut.<BR/><BR/>It doesn't matter what name people choose to use for the interests behind the changes taking place in our society. The changes themselves and the flimsy nature of the excuses being used to justify those changes are real and self-evident enough<BR/><BR/>Do we live in a totally restrictive surveillance state? Not yet, but the tools to enable such a state are being rushed into place.<BR/><BR/>Does anyone know the full extent of how directly managed this process is and what the eventual objective is? Nope. Is that a reason for complacency and acceptance? Nope againStefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01467757421113856218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-91703543923999656832008-03-18T14:08:00.000+00:002008-03-18T14:08:00.000+00:00@Dave: thanks for your kind words about the Gonzo ...@Dave: thanks for your kind words about the <A HREF="http://jondoy.blogspot.com/2008/01/gonzo-terror.html" REL="nofollow">Gonzo</A> thing, but i cannot take responsibility for it, really, standing as i am with one foot on the shoulder of <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_S_Thompson" REL="nofollow">Hunter S Thompson</A>, and the other plastic carrier bag wrapped foot on the shoulder of NLP - all i did was blend HT and NLP - albeit that i have made the decision to remove the insidious nature of NLP from the equation by using overt rhyme and meaning rather than sneaky thought re<A HREF="http://conspiraloon.blogspot.com/2007/11/man-tricks-entire-city-that.html" REL="nofollow">programming</A> techniques (neurolinguistic <A HREF="http://conspiraloon.blogspot.com/2007/11/man-tricks-entire-city-that.html" REL="nofollow">programming</A> being the method of burying one meaning/'thought system' inside the apparent syllables and meaning of another not-so-straightforward passage of speech), in the case of Gonzo, simply trying to rhyme 'It never sets fear enough for we' with 'It never got weird enough for me'<BR/><BR/>nlp is being used all over the place, i have witnessed what i believe to be nlp in the lyrics of songs, Question Time, other TV, and even testimony given within the legal domain and parliament - if a voice is ever talking to you and the sentence itself seems not to make such good sense but is instead replaced in your mind with another feeling, thought or emotion - especially if there is some incongruity between your previous point of view and a point of view you inexplicably come to hold, then that might be an indicator that a practitioner of nlp is trying to do their dirty work on you...nlp is a sordid parlour trick learnt by charlatans, chancers, and miscellaneous tricksters and can be studied at greasy self advancement seminars and in miserably glossy 'how to shit on everyone and get what you want' style self help books<BR/><BR/>be wary of n-l-p !<BR/><BR/>the point you raise about narrative and what we might call antinarrative is worth mention, i would say that whilst the official western world narrative - being one of safety, freedom and democracy (spread by the curbing of freedoms and dictatorial violent force if necessary) against the powers of "Islamic fascism" - is prevalent and goes mostly uncontested in the beloved and trusted mainstream media, the antinarrative that the global hegemony of 'you are free to get into <A HREF="http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=5232639329002339531" REL="nofollow">debt</A>' - the hegemony of banking cartels, corporate domination of government, and the misappropriation of human dignity and environmental concern in the name of (<A HREF="http://conspiraloon.blogspot.com/2007/06/alien-visitation-and-domination-through.html" REL="nofollow">transdimensional beings/aliens/shapeshifting lizards</A> not involved) <A HREF="http://conspiraloon.blogspot.com/2008/02/child-catcher.html" REL="nofollow">elitist</A> plans such as the murder of <A HREF="http://www.crystalinks.com/gaguidestones2.jpg" REL="nofollow">most</A> of the people, and the taxation of the rest for the crime of breathing co2, is the more compelling and realistic of the two<BR/><BR/>to further elaborate on my not aliens bit in brackets above: the <A HREF="http://conspiraloon.blogspot.com/2007/09/cia-fake-shill-troll-disinfo-agent.html" REL="nofollow">nazis, and later the cia</A>, had been <A HREF="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hunt-Zero-Point-Nick-Cook/dp/0099414988/" REL="nofollow">working on</A> "<A HREF="http://conspiraloon.blogspot.com/2007/09/even-more-nick-cook-lies.html" REL="nofollow">impossible</A>" aircraft over sixty years ago, the former for their 'war winning' technology projects - though it is unclear how far they got, the latter for the primary reason (one assumes) of guaranteeing <A HREF="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Flying-Saucer-Aircraft-Secret-Projects/dp/1857802330/" REL="nofollow">aerial spying/battlefield domination</A>, whether or not the intention was to fake spacecraft from the outset is another interesting topic, but the fact is, that from 1940s onwards, these craft were sold as "flying saucers", and "UFO" has lost its true meaning and come to be incorrectly synonymised with '<A HREF="http://conspiraloon.blogspot.com/2007/09/conspiraloon-remedial-class-lesson-10.html" REL="nofollow">impossible alien craft</A>'<BR/><BR/>there are plans to impose a world dictatorship (euphemistically referred to as "government") upon the Earth, and there are several means through which this might be accomplished, <A HREF="http://conspiraloon.blogspot.com/2007/06/illuminati-nwo-plot-to-subvert.html" REL="nofollow">climate change</A> (which neatly obviates all real pollution concern and ensures corporate welfare, 'trading' in but not <I>reduction</I> of co2 emissions (co2 being a weaker 'greenhouse gas' than <I>water vapour</I> is - and note also some of the <A HREF="http://conspiraloon.blogspot.com/2007/11/dr-iain-stewart-ultraloon.html" REL="nofollow">co2 conspiracy theories</A> from '<A HREF="http://conspiraloon.blogspot.com/2008/02/smell-of-french-leman-conspiraloon.html" REL="nofollow">experts</A>'), as well as the guarantee of passing all carbon tax to us - the end users), aliens, <A HREF="http://conspiraloon.blogspot.com/2007/06/999-another-conspiraloon-exclusive.html" REL="nofollow">terrorwar</A>, asteroids, et cetera<BR/><BR/>placed into this context, UFOs - and the 'disclosure project', become no more than <A HREF="http://conspiraloon.blogspot.com/2007/09/grinning-bafoon-reagan-tries-to-speak.html" REL="nofollow">tools</A> of the military industrial complex and broader military economic 'elite' to push X-filestianity for possible future use - the potential for faking <A HREF="http://conspiraloon.blogspot.com/2007/12/message-from-klaatu.html" REL="nofollow">alien invasion-dominations</A> a la <A HREF="http://conspiraloon.blogspot.com/2007/12/messiah-movie-news-neo-to-play-klaatu.html" REL="nofollow">The Day The Earth Stood Still</A> is tremendous<BR/><BR/><I>I still don't get why its a Police state for you lot. I would assume if it was we would be picked up no?</I><BR/><BR/>in my opinion, the "Muslim threat" is being used to put in place laws that would not be possible without an 'enemy within' - as the Muslim community is often portrayed to be in parts - the key issue here is a two-part one: Muslims are being denigrated much as Jews were as Ant comments above, but more to the point for those unconcerned by this, the nazis used those 'enemy' laws to squash all dissent even from non-Jews once consolidated - the very same is the intention here and now, and you must not doubt that for a moment, anyone who is not a 'good consumer' (debt ridden serf) will some day not too far off be a "terrorist"<BR/><BR/>the utilisation of a tacit acceptance of what people believe to be racist laws (ultimately, they are NOT race or religion specific) is the way the 'elite' think they'll get there, and thanks to the media it's largely working - at least it appears to be, most people i speak to get what i'm talking about in an instant, but they're no more allowed to speak their mind on tv or in the papers than i've found i am able to<BR/><BR/>these laws are about enforcing our one true freedom as the 'elite' would have it - the freedom to get into debt, but other than that, the freedom to shut up and suck it up<BR/><BR/>for now, it's 'softly softly only catchie darkies'<BR/><BR/>give it time, though...jon doy™https://www.blogger.com/profile/15050867532596762977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-71063119531374369102008-03-18T12:34:00.000+00:002008-03-18T12:34:00.000+00:00DAVE BONES said...Do you think there is some sort ...<I>DAVE BONES said...<BR/><BR/>Do you think there is some sort of fascist society in our not too distant future? Who is behind it? the Bildeberg group? Zionism?</I><BR/><BR/>Dr Evil, in the conservatory, with the rope. <BR/><BR/><BR/><I>lwtc247 said...<BR/><BR/>It would be interesting if the BBC tried to get stuff for the 'conspiracy files' through the back door having been told to go away - wouldn't it.</I><BR/><BR/>Wouldn't it just.The Antagonisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01459201402366077472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-63112270657876471752008-03-18T07:23:00.000+00:002008-03-18T07:23:00.000+00:00It would be interesting if the BBC tried to get st...It would be interesting if the BBC tried to get stuff for the 'conspiracy files' through the back door having been told to go away - wouldn't it.<BR/><BR/>Conspiratorally yours...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-14002762679516704322008-03-18T00:39:00.000+00:002008-03-18T00:39:00.000+00:00Right. You see I understand what you think, I am l...Right. You see I understand what you think, I am looking for why you think it. Maybe you've had experience of this sort of stuff? I haven't you see. It doesn't bother me if cops photograph me etc. I'm sure they think they are doing their jobs.<BR/><BR/>Do you think there is some sort of fascist society in our not too distant future? Who is behind it? the Bildeberg group? Zionism?DAVE BONEShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207525118627449541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-37267927266154878952008-03-16T14:39:00.000+00:002008-03-16T14:39:00.000+00:00Police state for Muslims? And the rest:MI5 seeks ...Police state for Muslims? And the rest:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/mar/16/uksecurity.terrorism" REL="nofollow">MI5 seeks powers to trawl records in new terror hunt</A> --Counter-terrorism experts call it a 'force multiplier': an attack combining slaughter and electronic chaos. Now Britain's <B>security services want total access to commuters' travel records</B> to help them meet the threat 16 Mar 2008 Millions of commuters could have their <B>private movements around cities secretly monitored</B> under new counter-terrorism powers being sought by the security services. Records of journeys made by people using smart cards that allow 17 million Britons to travel by underground, bus and train with a single swipe at the ticket barrier are among a welter of <B>private information held by the state to which MI5 and police counter-terrorism officers want access</B> in order to help identify patterns of suspicious behaviour.<BR/><A HREF="http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/mar/16/youthjustice.children" REL="nofollow"><BR/>Put young children on DNA list, urge police</A> --'We must target potential offenders' --Teachers' fury over 'dangerous' plan 16 Mar 2008 Primary school children should be eligible for the DNA database <B>if they exhibit behaviour indicating they may become criminals in later life</B>, according to Britain's most senior police forensics expert. Gary Pugh, director of forensic sciences at Scotland Yard and the new DNA spokesman for the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo), said a debate was needed on how far Britain should go in identifying potential offenders, given that some experts believe it is possible to identify future offending traits in children as young as five.The Antagonisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01459201402366077472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-16988967977663592132008-03-14T22:10:00.000+00:002008-03-14T22:10:00.000+00:00Sorry, I have been editing some new "Osama Bin Lon...Sorry, I have been editing some new "Osama Bin London" stuff, will be up later.<BR/><BR/>To get back to what you are saying 23 of the people you have cited were shot carrying guns or swords. I was asking about evidence that it is a Police state for the <I>majority</I> of us now- this says what? I don't get you.DAVE BONEShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207525118627449541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-23417893134500645752008-03-10T11:27:00.000+00:002008-03-10T11:27:00.000+00:00Great videos, yes I like Shahid opinon, better tha...Great videos, yes I like Shahid opinon, better than Ariel or whatever. cheersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-41851130587848545362008-03-09T12:35:00.000+00:002008-03-09T12:35:00.000+00:00Anne SandersonNo tense movie style negotiations t...<A HREF="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1923540.ece" REL="nofollow">Anne Sanderson</A><BR/>No tense movie style negotiations there.<BR/><BR/>I remember reading about that one while I was abroad, it really jumped out for some reason, hardly mentioned when I got back.<BR/><BR/>Home office figures for uk:<BR/><A HREF="http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs07/hosb0207.pdf" REL="nofollow">There were 50 homicides involving firearms in 2005/06, down 36 percent from 78 on the<BR/>previous year and the lowest recorded since 1998/99. </A><BR/><BR/>So if 2007 is typical and this suggests it is<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/jan/25/politics.ukguns" REL="nofollow">The number of gun-related deaths went down from 55 to 49 in the year to September 2007.</A><BR/><BR/>An equivalent of 4% of uk gun deaths for the uk happened through police action in Kent.<BR/><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.kentnews.co.uk/kent-news/Armed-police-find-machine-gun-in-raid-on-house-newsinkent7716.aspx?news=local" REL="nofollow">Kent newspaper reports</A> <BR/><I> From the start of April until the end of October this year, there have been 21 recorded gun crimes in east Kent.<BR/><BR/>A police spokeswoman said most of them involved air guns.<BR/><BR/>“I can confidently say the vast majority, if not all, of those 21 crimes relate to air weapons. Dangerous gun crime is not rife across the district.<BR/><BR/>“It is very rare for a ‘real’ firearm such as this to be in our patch.”</I><BR/><BR/>I can't identify other gun related deaths in kent (13 murders in 2007 according to their report, method not specified, but the above quote suggests none)<BR/><BR/>What with Danyiel Tucker later that year,Sevenoaks certainly seems to have a problem with gun crimepaulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608591025225519578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-39615453687063587532008-03-08T19:36:00.000+00:002008-03-08T19:36:00.000+00:00As David Cameron said, in response to the leader o...As <A HREF="http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/235/235269_cameron_slams_muslim_leader_over_nazi_comment.html" REL="nofollow">David Cameron</A> said, in response to the leader of Birmingham Central Mosque, Dr Mohammed Naseem, "We have the rule of law, we have an independent police force and they do an extremely good job - they should be supported." <BR/><BR/>Forgetting for a moment the 'terrorism' of Brian Haw, Walter Wolfgang, Bollocks to Blair t-shirts, Lindis Percy, RAF Fairford protestors and a whole host of others, what an "extremely good job" the police do:<BR/><BR/>JEAN CHARLES DE MENEZES, 27, Shot dead by police on 22 July 2005 after being mistaken for a suicide bomber.<BR/><BR/>PHILIP PROUT, 53, Shot by a police marksman after a baton gun failed to fire, in Cornwall in May 2004.<BR/><BR/>DEREK BENNETT, 29, In July 2001, police shot him four times in the back in Brixton, south London. He had been holding a gun-shaped cigarette lighter to a man's head.<BR/><BR/>JAMES ASHLEY, 39, Shot during a police drugs raid on his house in Sussex in 1998. Ashley was unarmed, naked and with his girlfriend.<BR/><BR/>CRAIG KING, 32, Bouncer from Greater Manchester was shot by police on 11 September this year.<BR/><BR/>JOHN SCOTT, 42, Killed in Northumberland in July after he fired a gun as police broke up a disturbance.<BR/><BR/>AZELLE RODNEY, 24, Shot in Edgware in April after bullets were fired into car of suspected drug dealers.<BR/><BR/>SIMON MURDEN, 26, Killed in Hull in March after brandishing a sword.<BR/><BR/>KEITH LARKINS, 33, Former mental patient shot in June at Heathrow after brandishing a blank pistol at police.<BR/><BR/>DAVID EWIN, 38, Former robber killed in London in March 1995 in a stolen car.<BR/><BR/>NICHOLAS PALMER, 23, Shot by police in south London in 2004. Failed to answer bail after arrest on arms offences.<BR/><BR/>COLIN O'CONNOR, 39, Thief shot in 2003 in Bedfordshire after being caught with a pistol in a stolen Jaguar.<BR/><BR/>FOSTA THOMPSON, 20, Jamaican shot in Bristol after defying police in 2002.<BR/><BR/>JASON GIFFORD, 27, Shot in 2002 in Aylesbury after he confronted officers with a sword and shotgun<BR/><BR/>MICHAEL MALSBURY, 62, Shot in 2001 running out of his house in Harrow firing at police.<BR/><BR/>STEVEN DICKSON, 30, Shot in 2001 waving a home-made shotgun in Derbyshire.<BR/><BR/>ANDREW KERNAN, 37, Schizophrenic with sword shot in Liverpool in 2001.<BR/><BR/>PATRICK O'DONNELL, 19, Killed in 2000 after taking his mother and girlfriend hostage in north London.<BR/><BR/>KIRK DAVIES, 30, Former soldier was shot in West Yorkshire in September 2000 after he threatened an officer with an air rifle.<BR/><BR/>HARRY STANLEY, 46, Shot by police in 1999.<BR/><BR/>DEREK BATEMAN, 47, Shot in Surrey in 1999 after girlfriend told officers he was armed and was threatening to shoot her, or himself.<BR/><BR/>ANTONY KITTS, 20, Shot in Falmouth in 1999, threatening police with an air rifle thought to be a shotgun.<BR/><BR/>MICHAEL FITZGERALD, 32, Shot in Bedford in 1998 aiming a replica Colt 45 at police.<BR/><BR/>DAVID HOWELL, 41, Psychiatric patient shot in 1996 at a Co-op supermarket.<BR/><BR/>DIARMUID O'NEILL, 27, Unarmed IRA suspect shot in raid in west London.<BR/><BR/>JAMES BRADY, 21, Shot in 1995 in police ambush at village near Newcastle.<BR/><BR/>ROBERT DIXON, 45, Wild West fan fired at police, but gun may have been replica.<BR/><BR/>DAVID STONE, 35, Killed in 1993, carrying pistol in north London.<BR/><BR/>IAN HAY, 39, Mentally ill farmer shot in Devon in 1993 after police tried to investigate gunshot reports.<BR/><BR/>DAVID LUCKHURST, 46, Publican in Hertfordshire shot in 1993 after he fired rifle at officers in siege at home.<BR/><BR/>ROBERT HAINES, 41, Known as 'Teflon Bob', a bouncer who has been suspected of being connected to M25 road rage killer Kenneth Noye, he was shot and killed by one of the officers responsible for the murder of Jean Charles de Menezes during an attempted raid on a building society in New Romney, but not before being tasered first.<BR/><BR/>ANN SANDERSON, 37, Shot dead by police on Monday 11 June 2007. Reported as having "a history of mental illness" and brandishing a ball bearing gun before being shot with "a single shot to the chest". She died at the scene and was the "first woman in Britain to be shot dead deliberately by a police marksman".<BR/><BR/>DAYNIEL CHARLES TUCKER, 39, from the Swale area was shot by officers in Tumblefield Road, Stansted, shortly before 9am on Saturday, December 29 2007.<BR/><BR/>PROSECUTIONS SO FAR: 0<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://julyseventh.co.uk/july-7-article-capitalising-on-terror.html" REL="nofollow">Capitalising on Terror: Who is really destroying our freedoms?</A>The Antagonisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01459201402366077472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-25041714605145691532008-03-06T23:34:00.000+00:002008-03-06T23:34:00.000+00:00I still don't get why its a Police state for you l...I still don't get why its a Police state for you lot. I would assume if it was we would be picked up no?DAVE BONEShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207525118627449541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-10474437201983199372008-03-05T17:39:00.000+00:002008-03-05T17:39:00.000+00:00You think you are going to be rounded up some time...<I>You think you are going to be rounded up some time soon? Do all of you think this?</I><BR/><BR/>I'm not sure there's a uniform set of beliefs among those that don't believe we have been told anything that vaguely resembles the truth about 7/7, other than that we haven't been told the truth.<BR/><BR/>Historically speaking, the likes of Hitler seized power in a 'democracy' perfectly legally while the demonisation and rhetoric regarding ethnic minorities was certainly used to eliminate political opposition. It wasn't the first time and it most definitely wasn't the last. History repeats, first as tragedy, then as farce.<BR/><BR/>An interesting exercise might be to research the number of 'Muslim' 'terrorists' locked up in recent years and the percentage of those with some degree of involvement in charities and other organisations who hold at their core the welfare of their Muslim brothers and sisters in far-off lands.The Antagonisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01459201402366077472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-23112393615988534322008-03-04T11:34:00.000+00:002008-03-04T11:34:00.000+00:00I speak for myself. I'm not really part of any gro...I speak for myself. I'm not really part of any group. You think you are going to be rounded up some time soon? Do all of you think this?DAVE BONEShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207525118627449541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-47559006460745236972008-03-03T11:51:00.000+00:002008-03-03T11:51:00.000+00:00Dave Bones: "I don't think its a "Police state" fo...Dave Bones: "I don't think its a "Police state" for me. For Muslims it blatantly is a Police state".<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://antagonise.blogspot.com/2006/05/this-is-round-up-who-will-speak-for.html" REL="nofollow">This is a round-up. Who will speak for you?</A>Bridgethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04220942517267393608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-16693794204528653162008-03-01T19:07:00.000+00:002008-03-01T19:07:00.000+00:00Oh, I forgot to say that Policewise I've only real...Oh, I forgot to say that Policewise I've only really had mild interest from them. The FIT squad take lots of photos of me when they see me and look like they think they are doing something important. I don't give a fuck. I like their inventor, Barry Norman. He had a very impish attitude to filming with me in Finsbury park and seemed to be enjoying himself.<BR/><BR/>As far as what MI-5 have done in this trial I haven't any complaints really. They obviously think the guys are terrorists. You know, they have recorded some conversations and presented them to a jury who convicted. Simple as.<BR/><BR/>They should give Musa his stuff back.<BR/><BR/>I don't think its a "Police state" for me.<BR/><BR/>For Muslims it blatantly is a Police state.DAVE BONEShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207525118627449541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-66472149066101654042008-03-01T16:35:00.000+00:002008-03-01T16:35:00.000+00:00I am a bit hung over to read through everything. I...I am a bit hung over to read through everything. I'm sorry you have fallen out with Rachel. You should meet her she is ace. Tough cookie and great fun.<BR/><BR/>She is obviously angry about conspiracy theorists who question her version of events. Well, she's going to be isn't she. I probably would be to if I had been randomly blown up.<BR/><BR/>She wants to have survived for a reason, and that reason is to try and stop all this. I want to help.<BR/><BR/>Conspiracies and the people that believe them interest me. They don't make me angry. I am fairly convinced by <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk" REL="nofollow">The Disclosure Project.</A> <BR/><BR/>I could run around screaming about aliens, but what would be the point? <BR/><BR/>I like trying to befriend people with views which are far away from mine. It occurred to me as a mission as soon as our great nation got involved in Iraq which is why I went to Finsbury park and also why I spend a lot of time with <A HREF="http://rightwingsparkle.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow">Rightwingsparkle</A> and friends.<BR/><BR/>She agreed to meet Atilla and co a long time ago with two of her buddies which I proposed as a documentary to the BBC. <BR/><BR/>I don't suspect any conspiracy, I just think the miserable fuckers have got no imagination.<BR/><BR/><BR/>I will always be sad that this didn't happen as at the time I thought such a meeting would make some headway into the problems we all face. I really believe that some sort of solution can only come from the people outside government. <BR/><BR/>I think Rachel does too.<BR/><BR/> <BR/>I am sad that I didn't see Atilla more often after they were chucked out of the mosque even though he was so horrendously difficult to film but there you are.<BR/><BR/>Cheers for the encouragement, I'm going to stop now. I am so hungover I can't look at this screen anymore.DAVE BONEShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207525118627449541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-70254703790176324812008-02-29T23:57:00.000+00:002008-02-29T23:57:00.000+00:00psI often wonder if that is possible in these days...ps<BR/><I><BR/>I often wonder if that is possible in these days of gradgrindian education and the terror of mass education/infection.</I><BR/><BR/>I think this blog, and j7 confounds my fears, and compounds my generally cheerful natureAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-70692573101970566392008-02-29T23:21:00.000+00:002008-02-29T23:21:00.000+00:00As a person with a walk on part in that exchange, ...As a person with a walk on part in that exchange, I am not a part of J7 though I think they are almost perfect exemplars of what concerned, active citizens should be, I'll take the liberty of commenting.<BR/><BR/>I have to say that I came away with the impression that rachel could start a fight in an empty room. <BR/><BR/>She certainly over-reacts to people who do not agree with her. She does not like 'conspiracy theorists' whatever that ridiculous and thought stopping term means.<BR/><BR/>I certainly fall into that wide category as all that is left otherwise is what michael parenti calls 'stochastic theory' which boils down to 'shit happens, what are you going to do?'.<BR/><BR/>Anyone with even a cursory awareness of imperial history, which is all I have, will be open to the idea that events, enemies and outcomes can be managed. India, Kenya, Northern Ireland and Lockerbie all spring to mind. It might be summed up as evidence of free will, if only of the powerful.<BR/><BR/>Much of the conspiracy world, to my mind, is as managed. I think the genesis communications network is a fairly good example of this.<BR/><BR/>In my vanity, I do not consider myself to fulfil any of the qualities that are thrown in the direction of anyone who has less than religious faith (to paraphrase ms north) in our state and the financial structures it bolsters. I could pass u75's glib voight kampf test in my sleep.<BR/><BR/>I realise that last sentence betrays some of my psychiatric genesis. I was lucky enough to attend a comprehensive that had both early editions of pk dick and greg philo's work in the glasgow media group.<BR/><BR/>I often wonder if that is possible in these days of gradgrindian education and the terror of mass education/infection.<BR/><BR/>I said it over at conspiracy centrale but I'll say it again.<BR/><BR/>Dave, you're stuff is solid gold and I'll be looking forward to reading more of it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-22650951260940294472008-02-29T22:08:00.000+00:002008-02-29T22:08:00.000+00:00I can see what you are saying about journalism, ca...<I>I can see what you are saying about journalism, carrerism and "the truth".</I><BR/><BR/>It's endemic and institutional, the net result is that precious little of what is reported has much in the way of value. <BR/><BR/><I>I tried to believe 9/11 conspiracy theories once and gave up. I make myself aware of all this, but mainly because Atilla believes (or believed it). Its information and I draw no conclusion.</I><BR/><BR/>The issue with events like 9/11 and 7/7 is that the official conspiracy theories don't satisfactorily explain, in a cogent, coherent and demonstrable way, the events of either day. It would be possible to construct any number of alternative theories but, without direct access to any of the evidence, such theories are as speculative as the official accounts. <BR/><BR/>However, once the the official conspiracy theory is proven to be false, as has happened with <A HREF="http://j7truth.blogspot.com/2007/08/home-office-corrections-to-july-7th.html" REL="nofollow">the 'narrative' of 7th July 2005</A>, then there is a legitimate case for suggesting that something other than what was originally postulated must be the case.<BR/><BR/>I very much look forward to reading your "behind the scenes" scenes piece about Hamid, do let me know when it's published.The Antagonisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01459201402366077472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-18448375970433042992008-02-29T21:46:00.000+00:002008-02-29T21:46:00.000+00:00*My* problem?Did I miss something?*<A HREF="http://rachelnorthlondon.blogspot.com/2006/01/conspiracy-theorists.html" REL="nofollow">My</A>* <A HREF="http://rachelnorthlondon.blogspot.com/2006/01/if-you-are-conspiracy-theorist.html" REL="nofollow">problem</A>?<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://julyseventh.co.uk/alexcoxforum/index.html" REL="nofollow">Did</A> <A HREF="http://rachelnorthlondon.blogspot.com/2007/06/jon-ronson-r4.html" REL="nofollow">I</A> <A HREF="http://rachelnorthlondon.blogspot.com/2007/02/conspiraloonery.html" REL="nofollow">miss</A> <A HREF="http://rachelnorthlondon.blogspot.com/2007/08/hello-america.html" REL="nofollow">something</A>?The Antagonisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01459201402366077472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-47278560592674467792008-02-29T16:22:00.000+00:002008-02-29T16:22:00.000+00:00Bloody Hell I just read some of your exchanges wit...Bloody Hell I just read some of your exchanges with Rachel. What's your problem? I don't get it.DAVE BONEShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207525118627449541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-31972753234232981212008-02-29T11:58:00.000+00:002008-02-29T11:58:00.000+00:00Talking inaccuracies it was Jon who made the Gonzo...Talking inaccuracies it was Jon who made the Gonzo remarks wasn't it.DAVE BONEShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207525118627449541noreply@blogger.com