tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post5499257967262693349..comments2023-08-13T12:20:53.393+01:00Comments on Anything that defies my sense of reason....: Another miscarriage of justice averted by brave jury: Alleged "7/7 helpers" cleared and found Not GuiltyThe Antagonisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01459201402366077472noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-13597099403222561462009-07-16T03:45:57.703+01:002009-07-16T03:45:57.703+01:00Any further comments on G20 police violence and Ia...Any further comments on <a href="http://antagonise.blogspot.com/2009/04/rioting-police-physician-heal-thy-self.html" rel="nofollow">G20 police violence and Ian Tomlinson here</a>, please.The Antagonisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01459201402366077472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-53978079600706845052009-07-16T03:37:46.480+01:002009-07-16T03:37:46.480+01:00That said, the man killed at the G20, Ian Tomlinso...That said, the man killed at the G20, Ian Tomlinson, wasn't even a protester.The Antagonisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01459201402366077472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-80837313603785027202009-07-16T03:35:33.256+01:002009-07-16T03:35:33.256+01:00I think that comment was meant for this post here....I think that comment was meant for <a href="http://antagonise.blogspot.com/2009/04/rioting-police-physician-heal-thy-self.html" rel="nofollow">this post here</a>. <br /><br />Video evidence seems to suggest the majority of the violence wasn't by protesters, but instead by the police.<br /><br />As Max Weber advised a long time ago, it is the State that legislates itself the right to the legitimate use of violence and that's what peaceful protesters experienced, with fatal consequences.The Antagonisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01459201402366077472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-58266880884637497112009-07-15T19:23:32.227+01:002009-07-15T19:23:32.227+01:00This post is a great resource for anyone who wants...This post is a great resource for anyone who wants to start a discussion on the issue. Police officers did not have sufficient training to tackle public disorder on the scale of the G20 protests. Authorities will be paying for police officers to protect delegates attending the September summit and to monitor protesters who could spawn violence.Egy Azzierahttp://www.asiarooms.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-53692408086482326892009-04-29T22:59:00.000+01:002009-04-29T22:59:00.000+01:00What about the new CCTV?
Doesn't really show anyt...<I>What about the new CCTV?<br /><br />Doesn't really show anything does it? So why the secrecy?</I><BR><BR>I think you've just answered your own question there.The Antagonisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01459201402366077472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-25150796760271857912009-04-29T21:45:00.000+01:002009-04-29T21:45:00.000+01:00What about the new CCTV?
Doesn't really show anyt...What about the new CCTV?<br /><br />Doesn't really show anything does it? So why the secrecy?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-4133304534609814322009-04-29T18:51:00.000+01:002009-04-29T18:51:00.000+01:00The total cost of the two trials is likely to exce...<I> The total cost of the two trials is likely to exceed <B>£5 million</B>.</I>Small change to the <B><I>£76.7 Million</I></B> spent by the Met Police <B>from</B> (the MPA were <A HREF="http://z13.invisionfree.com/julyseventh/index.php?showtopic=504&view=findpost&p=14682605" REL="nofollow">told</A>) <B>7th July 2005 to 6 October 2005</B>.Sinclairnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-75379291777591959302009-04-29T17:43:00.000+01:002009-04-29T17:43:00.000+01:00But not sugar apparently (Tate & Lyle being th...But not sugar apparently (Tate & Lyle being the most deadly - of course)lwtc247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-86120280974270681252009-04-29T17:39:00.001+01:002009-04-29T17:39:00.001+01:00@Sinclair - Thanks for the timely reminder of all ...@Sinclair - Thanks for the timely reminder of all that information.The Antagonisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01459201402366077472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-64107883412966131122009-04-29T17:39:00.000+01:002009-04-29T17:39:00.000+01:00There's a story doing the rounds about how Shakil ...There's a story doing the rounds about how Shakil and Ali tried to board a flight to Taliban / al Qaeda (seemingly interchangeable terms) terror headquarters in Pakistan while carrying knives, which seems a little 'obvious'.<br /><br />Then again, as everyone knows, you can't get knives at Taliban terror headquarters in Pakistan. Only beheading cutlasses. And rucksacks and black pepper and chapati flour.The Antagonisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01459201402366077472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-25447621460116779112009-04-29T17:35:00.000+01:002009-04-29T17:35:00.000+01:00Yeah, just like that. Stepwise procession (occasio...Yeah, just like that. Stepwise procession (occasional leap included) towards secret political trials.<br /><br />When will the cry be heard: Were all Winston Smiths nowlwtc247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-80637718818069828302009-04-29T17:32:00.001+01:002009-04-29T17:32:00.001+01:004 got source for above...
http://uk.news.yahoo.co...4 got source for above...<br /><br />http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090429/tuk-terror-camp-pair-given-seven-years-6323e80.htmllwtc247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-13237365577122344022009-04-29T17:32:00.000+01:002009-04-29T17:32:00.000+01:00Quote:
More than 37,000 exhibits were forensicall...Quote:<br /><br />More than 37,000 exhibits were forensically examined, 4,700 telephones seized and 24,000 people eliminated from inquiries by an army of police and MI5 investigators. The total cost of the two trials is likely to exceed £5 million.<br /><br />All that and all they can do is get the testosterone camp conviction: "Both Ali and Shakil had admitted attending terrorist training camps in the past, before it had been made an offence."<br /><br />Terrorist laws are retrospective? wow. I see many parliamentarians hanging from the gallows then.lwtc247http://lwtc247.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-86762385620046456992009-04-29T17:29:00.000+01:002009-04-29T17:29:00.000+01:00@lwtc247 - Like this, you mean?
BBC NEWS | Politi...@lwtc247 - Like this, you mean?<br /><br /><A HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6300585.stm" REL="nofollow">BBC NEWS | Politics | MPs back jury-less fraud trials</A>The Antagonisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01459201402366077472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-89822775133640473282009-04-29T15:46:00.000+01:002009-04-29T15:46:00.000+01:00A triumph for the jury system.
How long will it b...A triumph for the jury system.<br /><br />How long will it be before they scrap it, citing an 'overloaded' and 'expensive' judicial process?<br /><br />'Hey Justice is too slow and costs money, let's bin it'<br /><br />Have J7T thought about venturing into the documentary side or does LD do the job?<br /><br />Re: 'independent inquiry' instead of an 'independent PUBLIC inquiry' I would guess for most, for whom this issue is a concern, the latter is lazily implied in the former.<br /><br />It would be interesting to hear of their opinions on the supposed MI5/MI6 'liaison' links to the 'islamists' (ridiculous phrase I know).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-4320647548858870082009-04-29T09:09:00.000+01:002009-04-29T09:09:00.000+01:00It is worth noting that the original charge levied...It is worth noting that the original charge levied against Ali, Shakil & Saleem (as detailed in the Metropolitan Police Service Press Statement of Saturday, April 7, 2007) was:<br /><I>Waheed ALI [23 years] [formerly known as Shipon Ullah], recently living in Tower Hamlets Mohammed SHAKILl [30 years] from Beeston, West Yorkshire Sadeer SALEEM [26 years] from Beeston, West Yorkshire appear at City of Westminster Magistrates Court at 10:00 on 7/4/07 charged: = <B>between 1.11.04 - 29.6.05</B> unlawfully and maliciously conspired with Mohammed Siddique KHAN, Shezhad TANWEER, Jermaine LINDSAY, Hasib HUSSEIN and others to cause by explosive substance on the Transport for London system and/or tourist attractions in London of a nature likely to endanger life or cause serious injury to property in the UK or the Republic of Ireland. Contrary to section 3(1)(a) of the Explosive Substances Act 1883. </I>'<br /><br />Note that the dates cited did not include the <B>7th July 2005</B>, nor did this original charge include any reference to 'conspiracy to attend training camps' (allegedly the offense which led to their arrest at Manchester Airport in March 2007!) and the charge under which 2 of the 3 have now been found guilty.<br /><br />A <A HREF="http://z13.invisionfree.com/julyseventh/index.php?showtopic=140&view=findpost&p=13626364" REL="nofollow">FOI Request to the Met Police</A> revealed that the end-date quoted in the single charge was then <B>changed from the 29th June 2005 to the 8th July 2005</B> at a subsequent Court hearing at the request of the CPS.<br /><br />In Trial No. 1, the charge on the court indictment was:<br /><I><B>conspiracy to cause by explosive substance an explosion to endanger lives, or likely to cause serious injury to persons or damage property in the UK</B></I>On 1st August 2008, the jury (after 14 days of deliberations) were unable to reach a verdict, even after being allowed to return a majority verdict).<br /><br /><br />A re-trial then ensued, commencing in January 2009, with the following court indictment charges: <br /><br /><I><B>'conspiracy to cause an explosion of a nature likely to endanger lives, or cause serious injury to persons or damage property in the UK'</B>&<br /><br /><B>'conspiring to attend a place used for terrorist training, knowing or believing that instruction or training would be provided there wholly or partly for purposes connected with the commission or preparation of acts of terrorism'</B></I>It seems that the CPS were hell-bent in prosecuting these 3, but that they went about it in a cack-handed way.Sinclairnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-69245075877097298482009-04-29T00:36:00.000+01:002009-04-29T00:36:00.000+01:00Moot point indeed, although the media still seem c...Moot point indeed, although the media still seem content with presuming guilt without any sort of judicial scrutiny. <br /><br />And watch for all those calling for an 'independent inquiry' instead of an 'independent PUBLIC inquiry'. Marvel at what their agendas might be.<br /><br />Meanwhile, Arsonofabitch spews forth:<br /><br /><A HREF="http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/the_way_we_live/article6187493.ece" REL="nofollow">9/11 conspiracy theories: The truth is out there...just not on the internet</A><BR><BR>Lightly touching on the small issue of 7/7 with customary, er, panache and almost ignoring entirely the still excellent <A HREF="http://antagonise.blogspot.com/2006/11/ludicrous-diversion-j7-does-ld.html" REL="nofollow">Ludicrous Diversion</A>.The Antagonisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01459201402366077472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-33576147417464935732009-04-28T22:28:00.000+01:002009-04-28T22:28:00.000+01:00Good post. This show trial it seems to me was anot...Good post. This show trial it seems to me was another excuse to remind of reinforce in people's minds, the official explanation of 7/7. The 'guilt by association' assumes the guilt of the alleged bombers. And their guilt is still a moot point...stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06964690628169966854noreply@blogger.com