tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post8059467965909540325..comments2023-08-13T12:20:53.393+01:00Comments on Anything that defies my sense of reason....: J7 interviewed on Channel 4 NewsThe Antagonisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01459201402366077472noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-45623021454143289012007-06-19T23:18:00.000+01:002007-06-19T23:18:00.000+01:00the use of labels serves to rob people of their hu...<I>the use of labels serves to rob people of their humanity - like Nazi pink and yellow badges - we don't have to treat people with respect if they are labelled, whether it's 'paranoid' 'deluded' 'fantasist' 'mental' 'nutter' 'benefit scrounger' 'hoodie' 'chav' 'extremist' 'conspiracy theorist' 'refugee' 'immigrant' 'insurgent' 'terrorist' - the list is long and being added to by the day.</I><BR/><BR/>It's the opposite of how we have a tendency to anthropomorphise things we want to relate to and identify with. If you don't understand or agree with someone, their perceived ideals or what they say, the easiest thing to do is categorise them as something very different to you. In fact, the more different someone seems to how you see yourself, or your model of a 'decent' human being, the less human they become, either through being categorised as inferior like the above labels or by the perception of a mental mutation. <BR/><BR/>Someone who intentionally kills another human being becomes an 'animal' or a 'monster', which is easier for people to accept than the fact that another human being did something which is universally agreed as an evil act. Probably because then it might make you wonder if you had the same capabilities which isn't a pleasant thought to confront. <BR/><BR/>It's more or less the way the human brain evolved; to recognise another human as your friend you needed to have a mental simalcrum of them, for instance, which the development of language enabled. It's pretty ironic to think all this probably comes from some millenia-long urge to understand each other better!Kierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12236507389155398693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-76930721982844132372007-06-18T14:16:00.000+01:002007-06-18T14:16:00.000+01:00@lwtc247understoodbut the issues would be more mud...@lwtc247<BR/><BR/>understood<BR/><BR/>but the issues would be more muddied if people like The Antagonist and whoever is next on the list rose to the bait<BR/><BR/>wherever possible it is better that they make their own case on their own terms rather than reacting to what someone else is doing IMHO<BR/><BR/>I am not casting any aspersions on yourselfStefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01467757421113856218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-68798304894056459632007-06-18T05:53:00.000+01:002007-06-18T05:53:00.000+01:00@ stefI don't want to mudsling. Honestly. Rachel s...@ stef<BR/><BR/>I don't want to mudsling. Honestly. Rachel says the same thing, but then, mudlsings-a-go-go. Her mud is particularly insulting.<BR/><BR/>What can be refered to as the 'direction North takes' is to serious to let go unchallenged.<BR/><BR/>By letting her get on with it does make pur eyes go off the ball as she wants us to ditch the questions raised by the facts of 7-7.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-67545374315480121572007-06-16T04:45:00.000+01:002007-06-16T04:45:00.000+01:00I don't remember all the details, but a recent pol...I don't remember all the details, but a recent poll said more non-Muslims believe it is necesssary to take innocent life than do Muslims.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-29551764847260762482007-06-15T21:13:00.000+01:002007-06-15T21:13:00.000+01:00@lwtc247IMHO whatever an individual's take on the ...@lwtc247<BR/><BR/>IMHO whatever an individual's take on the Official Narrative of 7/7 no good will come out of personal mudslinging matches that have no bearing on the events of that day, or the issues associated with this nonsense 'War on Terror'<BR/><BR/>Let's all try and keep our eye on the ball, whatever the provocations. Only the terrorists, whoever they may be, will benefit from people being sidetracked and distractedStefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01467757421113856218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-64368288526729889642007-06-15T17:33:00.000+01:002007-06-15T17:33:00.000+01:00Why break the habit of a lifetime and let facts ge...Why break the habit of a lifetime and let facts get in the way of a good yarn?The Antagonisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01459201402366077472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-63142435398289916262007-06-15T14:23:00.000+01:002007-06-15T14:23:00.000+01:00Damn. I deleted the origional comment becasue I th...Damn. I deleted the origional comment becasue I thought the words of Rachel had answered my initial query, but then I read B's comment and it opens up a more serious question. So here's post 2.0....<BR/><BR/>Yes, RN is writing about you again {See: Wednesday, June 13, 2007, Jon Ronson: R4} having disposed of her first body: fjl. <BR/><BR/>Northy says she installed "Site Meter" (strangely enough, a form of spyware) and 'found' that she was getting a lot of hits from your site.<BR/><BR/>But from what B says, this isn't possible as you never knew who she was, and you site linked to the BBC.<BR/><BR/>This is very interesting. No doubt, just like 7-7 its a logical Grand Canyon that holds no relevance to anything.<BR/><BR/>P.S. Given the twaddlers on R's post, "conspiraloon" is a badge of honour. Wear it with pride. I wear one quite similiar.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-85539091373521835012007-06-15T00:37:00.000+01:002007-06-15T00:37:00.000+01:00All members of the Conspiraloon™ Alliance are prou...All members of the Conspiraloon™ Alliance are proud and unrepentant members and that is as it should be. <BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_203.shtml" REL="nofollow">Paranoid shift</A>, anyone?<BR/><BR/>One of the most amusing accusatory labels that's been flying around of late is 'Narcissistic Personality Disorder',or NPD to true afficionados, which is being tossed around with gay abandon by those who, if banned from using self-referential personal pronouns, would never utter another word again.<BR/><BR/>It's irony on a base level, but I like it.The Antagonisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01459201402366077472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-87655436062829924612007-06-14T22:04:00.000+01:002007-06-14T22:04:00.000+01:00@ anonI agree - the use of labels serves to rob p...@ anon<BR/><BR/>I agree - the use of labels serves to rob people of their humanity - like Nazi pink and yellow badges - we don't have to treat people with respect if they are labelled, whether it's 'paranoid' 'deluded' 'fantasist' 'mental' 'nutter' 'benefit scrounger' 'hoodie' 'chav' 'extremist' 'conspiracy theorist' 'refugee' 'immigrant' 'insurgent' 'terrorist' - the list is long and being added to by the day.<BR/><BR/>What we can do is divest these terms of their power as blacks did with 'niggah' and own them ourselves thus stripping them of negative associations. <BR/><BR/>Which is why I for one am proud to be a member of the Conspiraloon™ Alliance.Bridgethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04220942517267393608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-25644557057618259662007-06-14T17:02:00.000+01:002007-06-14T17:02:00.000+01:00@anonabsolutelythe constant and misplaced referenc...@anon<BR/><BR/>absolutely<BR/><BR/>the constant and misplaced reference to mental sickness is bang out of line<BR/><BR/>but it's easier than addressing what the 'lunatic' is actually saying isn't it? It saves dealing with potentially confusing stuff like factsStefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01467757421113856218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-72390402458197637102007-06-14T16:38:00.000+01:002007-06-14T16:38:00.000+01:00I think it is too easy to throw around the label m...I think it is too easy to throw around the label mentally ill. If someone is mentally ill it is offensive, they won't belive you anyway, if they are delusional. If someone is recovering from mental illness, it can make people lose their self belief to call them mentaly ill and make them fall back into the mental illness, and think they can never recover. And if it is just a term of abuse then it is bigotry like calling someone gay, or whitie, n*****, P*** or Jew boy a racist insult. The term is used too easily as an insult. <BR/>It does not help the isse to throw around the term mental illness as an insult. If you think someone is dumb say so, or if you think someone is wrong say so. But to use a serious medical condition as an insult has obvious damage. <BR/>I have spotted a website on comedy. <BR/>http://www.lonympics.co.uk/Comedy_Soccer/Broox.htm A super comedy site on soccer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-81567739673011555682007-06-14T15:15:00.000+01:002007-06-14T15:15:00.000+01:00Sure it won't stop people trying, but it just make...Sure it won't stop people trying, but it <A HREF="http://stefzucconi.blogspot.com/2007/06/chip-shop-of-terror.html" REL="nofollow">just makes them appear as mad as a fish</A>.<BR/><BR/>What's particularly brilliant about such tactics is that they're being played by those who spend all their time criticising the State, government, police and just about anyone else they can find to vent their spleens at yet, as if by magic, these same organisations have acted flawlessly and impeccably with regard to the events of 7/7.<BR/><BR/>It's doublethink, Jim, but not as we know it.The Antagonisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01459201402366077472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5892105.post-79720670378681901702007-06-14T14:09:00.000+01:002007-06-14T14:09:00.000+01:00"These views can't be dismissed as belonging to a ...<I>"These views can't be dismissed as belonging to a minority fringe of extremists and fantasists."</I><BR/><BR/>that's not going to stop people trying<BR/><BR/>it's a funny thing this mental illness of questioning what our government, security forces and newspapers are telling us - it appears to be contagiousStefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01467757421113856218noreply@blogger.com